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Post by Jo UK » January 14th, 2020, 9:36 am

Can you help to save Estonia's forests?
Urmas has asked for forum members' help to find articles in other languages and countries, concerning the conflict between industrial forestry and conservation of forests.'

Are there countries which have experience of dealing with this type of dispute - how do they solve it.?
Does conservation attract tourism? Are there any harmful aspects of increased tourism?
Include the impact of deforestation on global warming.
Any information you can find will help to widen the discussion and possible outcome on this topic.

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Post by laranjeiras » January 14th, 2020, 2:43 pm

Hi JoUK
i found a couple of papers that could be relevant but i don't know how to upload pdfs. these links might get you there:

https://www.academia.edu/12006088/Danci ... uman_world
this one 'brings together' animal geographies literature with legal geography. the case study is from Finland

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _in_Europe
this one speaks for itself - but the journal it is published in probably has other relevant papers

There is a great site for people who cannot access academic publications. it is: https://sci-hub.se/ - it's excellent, one can find practically everything through it! if you know the name of the paper or the url, doi, or pmid, you can probably get the paper through this

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Post by Jo UK » January 14th, 2020, 2:44 pm

Laranjeiras, many thanks for your input. I will make sure that Urmas is made aware of it.

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Post by Fleur » January 14th, 2020, 4:38 pm

I found an article / website. Maybe here a little bit info?

https://www.staatsbosbeheer.nl/over-sta ... -en-beleid

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Post by Biker » January 14th, 2020, 6:16 pm

Industrial forestry in the traditional sense and forest conservation are mutually exclusive. Industrial forestry would have to be redefined.

Forestry and forest protection can well be reconciled - also with economic interests, to a certain extent - if forests natural managed .

Natural forest management creates forests withstands extreme weather conditions, even the drought in 2019
- eg "Lübecker Stadtwald".

Lübeck has been doing forest management like this since the mid-1990s. The future will show whether it is possible to do justice to economic interests in the long term.

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Post by Urmas » January 14th, 2020, 8:25 pm

Thanks for those references you wrote!
Actually even more important would be know, if somewhere is published something about lost tourism values in Estonia, because of intensive forestry last years? Or some other setback in some other country by same reason?
Might be that such opinions are not published, yet. Only circulating in worrying heads.

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Post by sova » January 14th, 2020, 9:04 pm

Maybe that would be something ... German

Wood production in the Swiss forest: potential and conflicts of use

Anton Bürgi
WSL Swiss Federal Institute for Forest, Snow and Landscape Research WSL, Zürcherstrasse 111, CH-8903 Birmensdorf


Conflicts of use arise where different user interests in one
Clash. This applies in particular to the Swiss forest, in terms of the high demands of various publics
with which the forest owner, often the public again,
must deal with. Some conflicts of use restrict or use wood
make this impossible. To clarify the conflicts, both that
Wood use potential and the ownership structure of the forest are shown
the main non-wood uses in the forest, in particular
Nature conservation, protection against natural hazards, protection of drinking water and soil,
Recreation and hunting. The conflicts are briefly outlined below and
characterized, as well as approaches, if there are any, addressed.

https://www.dora.lib4ri.ch/wsl/islandor ... ion%29.pdf

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Post by laranjeiras » January 14th, 2020, 11:37 pm

Urmas wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 8:25 pm
Thanks for those references you wrote!
Actually even more important would be know, if somewhere is published something about lost tourism values in Estonia, because of intensive forestry last years? Or some other setback in some other country by same reason?
Might be that such opinions are not published, yet. Only circulating in worrying heads.
this article seems really relevant? here's the link: https://news.mongabay.com/2017/10/eston ... nd-chance/ it is by Rachel Fritts

here's one about tourism in Estonia - it talks about forestry but it doesn't seem to specifically address this issue - still could be worth a look (it's available using the science hub website): paper title: Tourism Impacts and Local Communities in Estonian National Parks; authors: Mart Reimann , Mari-Liis Lamp & Hannes Palang; year of publication: 2011

this one (called Forest Certification in Estonia) is from a conference in 2004. Authors: Rein Ahas, Hando Hain, Peep Mardiste. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf

this one is about potential problems and threats to rural landscapes in Eastern Europe - inc. Estonia
The forgotten rural landscapes of Central and Eastern EuropeHannes Palang, Anu Printsmann, Eva Konkoly Gyuro ́, Mimi Urbanc, EwaSkowronek and Witold Woloszyn (2006) https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.d ... 03feeba198

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Post by sigge » January 15th, 2020, 8:06 pm

Urmas wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 8:25 pm
Thanks for those references you wrote!
Actually even more important would be know, if somewhere is published something about lost tourism values in Estonia, because of intensive forestry last years? Or some other setback in some other country by same reason?
Might be that such opinions are not published, yet. Only circulating in worrying heads.
No, haven't seen that but I know that in the middle of north Sweden you put the pedal in the metal, blindfolds on, stereo on the highest to get through this ruined landscape of clear cuttings and plantages as soon as possible. No tourism there. :mrgreen:

On the other hand there are ways to make money on the forest instead of cutting trees, many rich foreign tourists are willing to pay a lot to see some "wilderness"
Local example: https://naturesbestsweden.com/en/home/ ,capercaillie lek for 250€ a night!, black grouse lek, eagle feeder photoing, wolf and owl howling, moose safaris..
EU have funds for regional development projects and pay most of Baltic Wings http://balticwings.org/about.html where Estonia is a part.
Ecotourism is coming strong 8-)
-Try to be a little bit positive man.. Sutherland D.

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Post by laranjeiras » January 15th, 2020, 10:24 pm

also found this (using doi, it's on science hub)
Unwin, T. (1996). Tourist development in Estonia. Tourism Management, 17(4), 265–276. doi:10.1016/0261-5177(96)00018-0

this one might be of interest (it addresses both afforestation and 'recreation')
Changes of coastal dune landscapes in Estonia. Urve Ratas, Reimo Rivis, and Kaija Käärt (2008) in Forestry Studies
https://www.degruyter.com/downloadpdf/j ... 0063-0.pdf

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Post by rodjur » January 22nd, 2020, 10:16 pm

Do you need specifically information about Estonia tourism, or it could be other country, that has developed nature tourism? I have seen some info about other countries. I will try to search for this info but it is not scientific info.

I think all Baltic countries has the same issue with deforestation..maybe it is possible to join the forces somehow?

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