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JULGE

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September 24, 2021

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Google Earth, showing elevation of flight.

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Thank you, Jo :hi: :thumbs:

I will prepare some more pics.

Here you are:

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Little Julge is still in the same area, near Louâtre, a village in the Aisne department in Hauts-de-France.

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What do members think of these pictures showing elevation? I will post a few more with the remaining maps, this evening.
Are they a bit too fussy and cluttered? Do they add anything to our enjoyment?
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Liz :hi:
I don't want or intend to be difficult, but I am being difficult :rolleyes:

Do you happen to have a translation? Maybe not, but I have to ask!
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Jo UK wrote: September 24th, 2021, 7:41 pm ...Do you happen to have a translation? Maybe not, but I have to ask!
Jo :hi: :mrgreen:
today I'm just too tired, so I only put the pictures. if it doesn't matter too much I wouldn't post an English version until tomorrow morning. My eyes don't want anymore today. :slap:

i know that pictures cannot be put into the translator.
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Liz01 wrote: September 24th, 2021, 7:38 pm Chapter 12.1 Page 258 Abzug von Brut-und Sammelplätzen, Zugwege
...leaving the breeding area....
Liz,
thank you very much for these Pages :2thumbsup:

Liz, there are still only exceptions and only on the beginning the migration - that situation I know also from new findings
also Dr. Strazds claims that they do not fly together

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TIMMU

our great Urmas :2thumbsup:

Black Stork Timmu arrived Ethiopia after a suspicious rest in Kfar Selouan Mount Lebanon

https://www.spnl.org/black-stork-timmu- ... t-lebanon/
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Hello!





Julge's choice of the western route seems to be the better one (if you compare the survival numbers with the eastern migrants)


Julge does what other young Black Storks do:
Extensive resting in France.


From a telemetry project of the Hessischen Gesellschaft für Ornithologie und Naturschutz (HGON) with the State Bird Observatory:

... Another astonishing finding is the great importance France has for the young Black Storks. Many of the young ones refueled their energy reserves here, sometimes over several weeks. These resting regions were visited and documented by us.
In the first two years of their lives, most of the immature Black Storks that were transmitted over-summered in France after the spring migration ...


maybe Julge too - if so, I know what you are doing next spring , Lusciniole :)



Pilot project on telemetry of juvenile black storks.
So far, a total of 51 young black storks have been fitted with transmitters since 2018

https://www.hgon.de/fileadmin/HGONConte ... storch.pdf

https://www.hgon.de/unsere-arbeit/voegel/schwarzstorch/
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Liz wrote:
There is evidence from black storks with transmitters that siblings or a breeding pair migrate together. not often, but they do.Compared to the total population, there is a very small group of storks with transmitters. There is even less data on breeding pairs. I don't know how many at the moment, but there should be a few. Thus, a statement cannot be made. Ring finds at least confirm that breeding pairs also travel together.
Thank you Liz! This is a super interesting information!
However, regarding Julge, it doesn't appear that she is accompanied. The people who wrote and photographed on FB didn't mention other black storks (to my knowledge) and I didn't see any in Saint Hilaire, Pontfaverger or Chamery. On the other hand, other black storks have been observed on other days, a few km away, this year and in previous years.

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Solo wrote: September 24th, 2021, 8:20 pm ....and only on the beginning the migration - that situation I know also from new findings
also Dr. Strazds claims that they do not fly together
Solo, :hi:
The question was, do they migrate together: yes they do
the other question would be do they wintering together? No idea
There is a lack of information from the wintering areas. Again the problem is that there is not enough data.
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September 25
Hello everyone :hi:
Liz01 wrote: September 25th, 2021, 7:45 am Solo, :hi:
The question was, do they migrate together: yes they do
the other question would be do they wintering together? No idea
There is a lack of information from the wintering areas. Again the problem is that there is not enough data.
- there was no question: "garina do mar wrote: ↑24 Sep 2021, 15:14 BS don't migrate in family. Even siblings migrate in different routes. ... "(https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... 76#p831176)
- as I have already written - the exceptions mentioned in your book only concerned the common beginning (even according to the information I have, they only fly together for a short time)
- information from your book does not refute the general information that they do not migrate together - and there has been more information since then (as I have already write Dr. Strazds also claims that they do not migrate together)

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Good morning, Solo and all all the other BS friends! :hi:

Thanks to everyone for some very interesting reviews and new information!
I think that the different opinions and friendly discussion are very welcome and helpful to all of us.
Have a beautiful and inspiring day!
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Good morning to all

Julge was a good bird and retired to the forest overnight.
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Hellem wrote: September 24th, 2021, 6:08 pm Thank you, I like the 3D animations and descriptions by Lukáš S :thumbs:
:hi: Hellem, my pleasure

3D animation (by Lukáš S.) https://ayvri.com/scene/ykxwgxee59/ckty ... 6kn26t8ind

and the description (by Lukáš S., translation by Zuzana D.):

24.9.21
In the evening Julge completed a field tour and moved to the yesterday's overnight stay - on the edge of the grove. He was already there at 19:45. Around midnight he walked 30 meters into the field looking for something but came back again.
It was foggy in the morning and Julge started to be active late - at 07:15. He walked around the field at the grove all morning. It was probably so foggy that even birds only walked :-).
At 12:45 he rose from the field and flew over the grove and went to visit a nearby homestead 800 meters away. It is a nice garden with a beautiful pond (Solo: or swimmpool -there is street view). However he was not very interested in the pond - he explored it only for a while but continued through the beautiful garden to the other end. He spent 30 minutes here and at 13:30 he flew back - a little detour - to the edge of his field and grove from the morning. Today he flew about 1,5 km.
Since 13:45 he just walked through the field again - there and back again - and at 16:00 he reached the silage pits (Solo: we aren´t sure what it is) opposite the grove. Data ends at this place. When I deduct his short flight Julge walked until 16.00 about 3,5 km in the same field at the grove.

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birdmap update
Julge - Distance: 2728 km, Last data: 25.09.2021

JULGE http://birdmap.5dvision.ee/EN/
last update: 23.09 evening https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... 14#p831114

previous data:
23.09.2021 (evening), distance 2722km (+ 9km)
Louâtre - commune (Catifet, La Falaise, Nadon, La Vallée du Gros Chène and Violaine) in the Aisne department in Hauts-de-France in northern France

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25.09.2021 (morning), distance 2728km (+ 6km)
Louâtre - commune (Catifet, La Falaise, Nadon, La Vallée du Gros Chène and Violaine) in the Aisne department in Hauts-de-France in northern France
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou%C3%A2tre, http://louatre.fr/

link to the 3D animation and description already here https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... 44#p831244

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Solo wrote: September 25th, 2021, 7:56 am

24 Sep 2021, 15:14 BS don't migrate in family. Even siblings migrate in different routes. ...
there are separate and also common migration
Since not many juveniles survive the trip, can't we say too much about that? Not only that! Not all are ringed, not all have transmitters ...

I am not writing anything more about it now. I will delete my posts. I don't have time to translate a whole book.
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Liz01 wrote: September 25th, 2021, 8:39 amSince not many juveniles survive the trip, can't we say too much about that? Not only that! Not all are ringed, not all have transmitters ...
:nod:

Liz, I don't know how much experts know about the migration of black storks, there are not many publications available and they concern a small number of individuals

it is all the more amazing to be able to follow the migration of black storks on public maps, although the mortality of young black stork is unfortunately very, very high (of the relatively high number of Latvian young BS BS with tansmitter lives only Mare and similarly of an even larger number of Polish young BS with transmitter only Skierka is alive)

edit:
my words refer to the independent or joint journey of the siblings
what I know confirms the independent journey of the siblings, even if they start together, after a short time their paths are divided

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birdmap update
Timmu - Distance: 6202 km, Last data: 24.09.2021 - Timmu reached his wintering place in Ethiopia :loveshower:

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birdmap update:
Eedi: Distance: 5065 km, Last data: 24.09.2021

more later - done : https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... 63#p831263
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Post by martak »

Bonjour everyone :chick:
Any idea what Julge eats walking on the fields?
S/he is not really looking for any water food in pond or small river so far, as I see..may be french field mouse is a real delicatessen :D
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