Following Karls' Families

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:hi:

18.10 Birdmap update:

Pikne - 3544 km (+225 km in 2 days), travelling, sent data near Manyas in Turkey :D

Udu - 3898 km (+2 km), stopover, sent data near Larissa in Greece

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BIRDMAP OVERVIEW OCTOBER 18

KARL II
Previous data: 16.10.2021, distance 3934 km, +252 km in 1 day. Karl II sent data near Emirgazi in Turkey
NO NEW data

UDU
Previous data: 17.10.2021, distance 3896 km, +157 km in 2 days. Udu sent data near Larissa in Greece.
NEW data: 18.10.2021, distance 3898 km, +2 km in 1 day, stopover. Udu sent data near Larissa in Greece.

PIKNE
Previous data: 16.10.2021, distance 3319 km, +80 km in 2 days. Pikne sent data near Kapkali and Koruköy in Turkey.
NEW data: 18.10.2021, distance 3544 km, +225 km in 2 days. Pikne sent data near Manyas in Turkey.

Udu:
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Hello!
Thank you, Liz, Anne, Sova, Jo, Hellem!

Wow, Pikne :rolleyes:
S/he is very brave (hmm, where is our Brave/Julge :puzzled:)!

Udu! Stay there! (Maybe the winter there will be nice and warm.)

Yes, we must have strong nerves. We're already a little hardened...
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Anne7 wrote: October 18th, 2021, 5:11 pm ...
Yes, 'our' book! :D
Anne :wave:

In this case I wrote from memory. Every now and then something sticks in the memory :laugh:
There are no other large counts or observations. You would need a lot of interested volunteers for that. The coastal area is a spacious area!
The book edition is from 2013, thus it is by no means out of date. Since much is current, even today, observations from the previous century are also included.
It's not as if we get new knowledge about black storks every day. Many people they have researched and observed with great interest are no longer involved. One, who continues to observe very intensively, no longer publishes. He no longer does it because the data is not being used for what it was intended for. To help the storks. Rather, if you make sites and habitats known, it helps a lot for those who want to destroy these nests and habitats. e.g. like wind turbine operators, find it useful to know where to "clean up".
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Heloise wrote: October 19th, 2021, 8:32 am ... (hmm, where is our Brave/Julge :puzzled:)!

I just think that Julge was too inexperienced to migrate without experienced storks
And indeed: there is Stork 3 standing together with his parents on a meadow at the edge of a forest and learns what a Black Stork has to learn. But it seems Stork 3 is in fact a bit "easygoing". His parents wait time and again until he finally follows them, but Stork 3 lingers often and has to be "picked up" again....
https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... 03#p344403
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Hello, Liz, many thanks!
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Very interesting, I haven't read it!
It is interesting to compare their behavior with that of our young birds.
Liz01 wrote: October 19th, 2021, 2:00 pm ...
One, who continues to observe very intensively, no longer publishes. He no longer does it because the data is not being used for what it was intended for. To help the storks. Rather, if you make sites and habitats known, it helps a lot for those who want to destroy these nests and habitats. e.g. like wind turbine operators, find it useful to know where to "clean up".
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Heloise :wave:
Liz01 wrote: October 19th, 2021, 2:00 pm Anne :wave:

In this case I wrote from memory. Every now and then something sticks in the memory :laugh:
There are no other large counts or observations. You would need a lot of interested volunteers for that. The coastal area is a spacious area!
The book edition is from 2013, thus it is by no means out of date. Since much is current, even today, observations from the previous century are also included.
It's not as if we get new knowledge about black storks every day. Many people they have researched and observed with great interest are no longer involved. One, who continues to observe very intensively, no longer publishes. He no longer does it because the data is not being used for what it was intended for. To help the storks. Rather, if you make sites and habitats known, it helps a lot for those who want to destroy these nests and habitats. e.g. like wind turbine operators, find it useful to know where to "clean up".
Hello, Liz :wave:

Yes, there is little or no recent information available regarding the migration routes of BS in Greece. At least, I can’t find it… Perhaps there are articles in Greek?

The book “Der Schwarzstorch” was written in 2004, and there was a revised reprint in 2013. :nod:
But the information mentioned in that book about "the crossing of the Mediterranean via Greece" dates back to 1940! Since then, a lot has undoubtedly changed in that area. (Both in the management of forests, rivers, lakes, wetlands, and in urban, touristic, industrial and agricultural development.) And moreover there is also the fairly recent impact of global warming.
“However, the crossing of the Mediterranean via Greece (Peloponnese), the Aegean islands and Crete is less frequent and probably often ends in a "dead-end street" (Sol0Z 1940). Individual wintering attempts resulting from this (including in western Turkey) cannot be completely ruled out. Furthermore, a not insignificant number of birds are shot illegally between Italy and Greece. …”

It is appalling that the data and other information of ornithologists are apparently misused by the “business sector”! They destroy nests and habitats intentionally?! I didn’t know that!


Edit: I found the recent story (2020) of a juvenile Greek BS (named Aleko) who successfully crossed the Mediterranean Sea, and winters in Chad. 👍🏼
(Apparently, this storklet was the very first Greek BS to be equipped with a transmitter.)

"He remained for several days in the food-rich wetland of the Messolonghi lagoon and then, flying rapidly over the Peloponnese, he began to cross the Mediterranean from the SW end of the mainland, in the area of Koroni. His demanding continuous flight over the sea lasted about 16 hours, until the transmitter sent a signal again from the north coast of Libya, a sign that he successfully passed this first big test of its short life so far! From there, heading south again, he overcame the great obstacles of crossing the Sahara Desert, reaching the wintering grounds of the Black Storks, located in the narrow zone of central Africa between the Sahara and the tropical savannah known as the Sahel. He is expected to spend the whole winter there, until the middle of spring.
Black Storks are rarer and much more secretive than our well-known White Storks, as they avoid contact with humans. In Greece they nest in northern Greece and Lesvos, often in gorges and river valleys, but also on the top of trees in forest habitats. Their population in Greece is estimated to not exceed 170 pairs.
Read the extremely interesting story of Dr. Vasilikis Kati, Associate Professor at the University of Ioannina and head of the Biodiversity Conservation Laboratory, about the "adventure" of Aleko from the moment he was located in the gorge of Voidomatis until his departure for the migratory trip to Africa. ..."

https://www.zoosos.gr/i-istoria-tou-meg ... z79kRWrtDX
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It is appalling that the data and other information of ornithologists are apparently misused by the “business sector”! They destroy nests and habitats intentionally?! I didn’t know that!
Yes, dear sova, of course we know!
The economic lobby and the sick ambition of hobby hunters are always on the trail of our animals and of course they gladly accept simple, easily accessible information. We would be naive to believe that everyone would be kind to nature.
The frightening thing is that we cannot catch up and do well the harm few people (can and do) do.
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Polly wrote: October 19th, 2021, 5:33 pm Yes, dear sova, of course we know!
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Hello, Polly! :wave:

I was the one who wrote not to realise that the economic lobby consults the data and information of ornithologists, with the aim of destroying nests and habitats ...

But of course you are right in saying that it would be naive to think that this outrageous malpractice does not occur. :nod:
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TRACKER MAP
PIKNE - OCTOBER 19th
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid= ... sp=sharing

Today, Pikne travelled 262 km to the southeast. :thumbs:
S/he is currently near Boyalı, Afyonkarahisar, Turkey

Boyalı is a village in the District of Sinanpaşa, Afyonkarahisar Province, Turkey.
Battery level is still 15% :faint:

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Today, Pikne stopped flying near a small dam lake (not to confuse with the Boyalı Köyü / Boyabat / Sinop)
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KARL II - OCTOBER 19th
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid= ... sp=sharing

I can hardly believe what I see!
Our Super Stork Karl II is already near Tirat Zvi in Israel! :D :headroll:

Karl II flew 833 km in 3 days.

Battery level: 100%

Karl II's flown route on the 17th, the 18th and the 19th of October:
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In the evening of the 17th, Karl II was already in Syria
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Karl II’s latest known location.

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Tirat Tsvi fishponds. View to the east.
In the distance flows the Jordan River. Beyond the River we see the hills of Jordan.
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UDU - OCTOBER 19th
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UDU flew a little bit north-west today.
S/he is near the River Pineios, northeast of Rodia, Larissa.

Rodia (Greek: Ροδιά, Greek pronunciation: [ɾο'ðʝa]) is a village and a community of the Tyrnavos municipality. Before the 2011 local government reform it was a part of the municipality of Ampelonas.The 2011 census recorded 732 inhabitants in the community. The community of Rodia covers an area of 66.886 km2.
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Udu is in (or very close to) the "Αισθητικό άλσος Μπογιατζή" Park (translation said: Aesthetic Grove Boyatzi Park ?? :D )

Total distance flown: 40.7 km
Battery level: 43%

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19.10 Birdmap update:

Pikne - 3806 km (+262 km), flew to the SE direction and sent data near the village Boyalı in Turkey

Karl II - 4727 km (+793 km in 3 days), travelling, sent data near Tirat Zvi in Israel :D

Udu - 3939 km (+41 km), flew to the NW direction and sent data near Rodia, Larissa in Greece

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Hellem :wave:

Little UDU's current area looks very nice.
I'm glad that Udu left those huge fields near the big city and that airfield.

Enjoy, Udu! And eat well, so that you become very big and very strong!


The Aesthetic Grove "Bogiatzi" in Larissa that few know (translated... )

On the banks of the Pineios River, near the village of Rodia, Larissa, is the aesthetic grove "Bogiatzi" and the church of Agios Athanasios.
The riparian meadow with its big plane trees is a wonderful place to enjoy the calmness of the river that flows quietly but also the wonderful natural landscape.
Lots of people gather on Shrove Monday and May Day to welcome Spring. But you can also walk all summer under the big plane trees with their heavy shade.
After this point the Pineios enters between the hills and the landscape becomes wilder, and the speed of the water increases. There begins the "Strait Vernesi" which is a difficult passage for rafting with difficulty up to III and IV. Here the teams with their boats start and they finish in the village of Parapotamos, Larissa.

The Pineios River
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The meadow with plane trees (Platanus)
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The wide area
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The Pineios (Greek: Πηνειός, romanized: Pineiós, Greek pronunciation: [piˈɲos], referred to in Latin sources as Peneus) is a river in Thessaly, Greece. The river is named after the god Peneus. During the later Middle Ages, it was also known as the Salamvrias or Salavrias (Σαλα[μ]βριάς).
It flows from the Pindus mountains through the Thessalian plain and flows into the Aegean Sea, northeast of the Vale of Tempe, near Stomio. It creates a large delta, well known for its beauty and for many animal species, protected by international environmental treaties. Its total length is 205 km. Its source is near the village Malakasi, on the eastern slope of the Pindus main range, east of Metsovo. The Meteora region and the city of Larissa lie along the Pineios. Trikala lies on its tributary, the Lithaios. In the 1960s, a freeway connecting Athens and Thessaloniki was constructed in much of the Vale of Tempe.
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Hellem wrote: October 19th, 2021, 10:20 pm
Hellem, thank you!

BIRDMAP OVERVIEW OCTOBER 19

KARL II
Previous data: 16.10.2021, distance 3934 km, +252 km in 1 day. Karl II sent data near Emirgazi in Turkey
NEW data: 19.10.2021, distance 4727 km, +793 km in 3 days, travelling. Karl II sent data near Tirat Zvi in Israel

UDU
Previous data: 18.10.2021, distance 3898 km, +2 km in 1 day, stopover. Udu sent data near Larissa in Greece.
NEW data: 19.10.2021, distance 3939 km, +41 km in 1 day. Udu flew NW and sent data near Rodia Larissa in Greece.

PIKNE
Previous data: 18.10.2021, distance 3544 km, +225 km in 2 days. Pikne sent data near Manyas in Turkey.
NEW data: 19.10.2021, distance 3806 km, +262 km in 1 days, travelling. Pikne flew SE and sent data near the village Boyalı in Turkey.

Pics tomorrow. It's time for a break. :wave:

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@sova and Anne ... sorry both of you! I threw the dice all over the place. :slap: :dunno:
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Good morning!
Many thanks, Anne, for updates, information and beautiful photos! :
Udu is talented! And can really find beautiful areas :thumbs:
Oh, maybe it would be better if s/he tried to stay in Greece for the winter... :unsure:

However, there is very interesting information from 2020, thank you for sharing!
Anne7 wrote: October 19th, 2021, 2:49 pm ... I found the recent story (2020) of a juvenile Greek BS (named Aleko) who successfully crossed the Mediterranean Sea, and winters in Chad. 👍🏼
(Apparently, this storklet was the very first Greek BS to be equipped with a transmitter.)

"He remained for several days in the food-rich wetland of the Messolonghi lagoon and then, flying rapidly over the Peloponnese, he began to cross the Mediterranean from the SW end of the mainland, in the area of Koroni. His demanding continuous flight over the sea lasted about 16 hours, until the transmitter sent a signal again from the north coast of Libya, a sign that he successfully passed this first big test of its short life so far! From there, heading south again, he overcame the great obstacles of crossing the Sahara Desert, reaching the wintering grounds of the Black Storks, located in the narrow zone of central Africa between the Sahara and the tropical savannah known as the Sahel. He is expected to spend the whole winter there, until the middle of spring.
Black Storks are rarer and much more secretive than our well-known White Storks, as they avoid contact with humans. In Greece they nest in northern Greece and Lesvos, often in gorges and river valleys, but also on the top of trees in forest habitats. Their population in Greece is estimated to not exceed 170 pairs.
Read the extremely interesting story of Dr. Vasilikis Kati, Associate Professor at the University of Ioannina and head of the Biodiversity Conservation Laboratory, about the "adventure" of Aleko from the moment he was located in the gorge of Voidomatis until his departure for the migratory trip to Africa. ..."

https://www.zoosos.gr/i-istoria-tou-meg ... z79kRWrtDX
Here we can say that transmitters have many benefits :rolleyes:
.....

Karl II is great (the Greatest, for me)!
But I always worry about him and I am afraid of those areas in the Middle East where there are many dangers.
Of course, these threats also exist in Africa.
I'm afraid his GSM transmitter will lose coverage again... and we need a patient mind until spring.
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Hello Polly :wave:
Please don't worry. Everything is fine.


Hello Heloise! :wave:

Who knows what Udu will do?
Will s/he have ‘the guts’ to venture out on the great crossing? It is probably better if the open sea frightens her/him too much... There is a saying: "better safe than sorry".

I think the climate in Greece is OK for overwintering. (In most places).
But rather, I think it will be a matter of finding enough food throughout the winter. A good feeding ground.

Here's a comprehensive overview of the climate in Greece, which is not the same everywhere...
https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/greece
"...
- The climate of Greece is Mediterranean on coasts and islands, with mild, rainy winters and hot, sunny summers.
- The northern cities, located in the inland areas of Epirus, Macedonia and Thessaly, have a slightly continental climate, with quite cold winters, during which air masses coming from the north can sometimes bring snow and frost, and hot summers, sometimes scorching.
- Finally, in the northern mountainous areas, winters are cold and snowy, while summers are mild, with possible afternoon thunderstorms. ..."


Well yes, soon Karl II's transmitter will probably be silent again for quite some time. I trust his experience and wisdom, but that does of course not mean that nothing can go wrong...

We can only hope for the best, observe and try to accept whatever may happen, Heloise.
In good as well as in sad times.
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Anne7 wrote: October 20th, 2021, 3:56 pm
Many thanks, Anne, for your nice comment!

We are strong together!
Lets hope for the best.

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