Jo UK wrote: ↑October 14th, 2019, 4:02 pm While our tracked birds are in possible danger in war zones, we shall not show the most recent location on the tracker maps. The omitted locations will be added to the next tracker map.
This is one small thing we can do to provide safety for our birds. Of course, they face many dangers not associated with war but we have no control over those things. This is one thing we can do.
Jo, does this imply that we should not publish/document birdmap-updates on the forum before we are certain that our birds have already left the most recent location(s)? (in war zones)
A wise decision, Jo, to minimise at least one risk to which the storklets are exposed.
Isn't it then a possibility that you tell us only, where the bird is? Without posting trackermaps or pictures from the nearest surroundings? For example, "Oru is somewhere at Tishreen Lake" (it's in Syria). But this way only, if it is a big lake, where he can be anywhere. If the bird is at very small lakes or small villages, then you could write, "he is near the next big town like Latakia or so, in a wooden area or in fields".
The same principle that applies to war zones should apply to Lebanon. This country is not less dangerous than war zones, - in my opinion.
Probably, yes. It would be best if our birds would fly non-stop to Israel.
An unimaginable number. It's awful, horrifying.
Abygil, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, worries, and observations.Abigyl wrote: ↑October 15th, 2019, 12:20 am It's been few weeks since some of us came with this idea to hide the birds movements.
I wanted to write, but after a second and third thought I choose to remain silent at that time.
War Zones?? Their way from North Europe to Africa is not the French Riviera.
All the west of Turkey is an area with much military activities. If you read or watch international news, you'll see that one of the busiest Air Base in Turkey is INCHERLIK.
For days now my heart stops each time I open the map. ORU is in the center of this Air Base. Cannot see it anymore.
Many storks and other birds with or without Gps, lost their life there. "My first WS" was found dead many years ago, in an air base in the North of Konya; from each death I learned better the Turkish Map and the list of military Airports.
So why birds are showed on maps in those areas?
Why is Eedy still on the birdmap? (I apologize for mentioning his name here)
His wintering area is between the largest Saudi Military airbase and the Yemen border. Where there is an active war of many countries against Iran. This is THE WAR ZONE during the last 2 months.
And Syria which is on front page for years?
The list is long! I'm sure all those countries are very occupied with their real problems and are not interested in one specific bird of any kind. I feel bad to remind us that only last week we lost a BS because it was weak or hungry and not because it was in a war zone.
Million of birds are crossing this long way; All of us saw many videos about the migration around the world and it always starts with the same words: "Millions are making the way to their wintering area, many of them won't arrive there and others won't make the way back".
That's nature. We are doing what we can to help, but we cannot change birds behaviour.
I believe that all the new technologies, medias and live cams - are connecting people to birds and helping us to understand the main issues of nature in this changing world, while we are doing our best where it's needed.
I hope that decision makers will take in consideration, with open mind, all the elements of this subject: what's best for the birds, for the research and researchers, and also the loyal forum's participants.
Thanks for your contribution. I gave it up to write about it. A few days ago I pointed out that 2 black storks fitted with an transmitter, were killed. I think this message has also reached Urmas. Maris Strazds already knew it.Abigyl wrote: ↑October 15th, 2019, 12:20 am It's been few weeks since some of us came with this idea to hide the birds movements.
I wanted to write, but after a second and third thought I choose to remain silent at that time.
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Why is Eedi still on the birdmap? (I apologize for mentioning his name here)
His wintering area is between the largest Saudi Military airbase and the Yemen border. Where there is an active war of many countries against Iran. This is THE WAR ZONE during the last 2 months....
No Anne .... you do not have to publish anything here ... but only, maybe in the afternoon say so; Today there is no tracker map for Oru. Because you can see where the bird is. I do not need to know anything (bird is close to the city or from this lake) ... only we know, in the evening there is no map.
Thanks ARI and Liz for you comments.Liz01 wrote: ↑October 15th, 2019, 6:40 am
Something is wrong in this thread this year. It's better to be silent.
EDIT: We are not allowed to mention Eedi anymore, we are not allowed to insert the original citation and translation, although it is important to recognize possible mistakes. And now we can not compare with the data from last year.
