Estonian White-tailed Sea Eagle Nest Camera 2021

Webcam Watching over White-tailed Eagles nest

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Re: Estonian White-tailed Sea Eagle Nest Camera 2021

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The youngster was back at 9.03 and pecked something in the right edge of the nest.
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Asteria :thumbs:

09:00
the youngster landed
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WTE found a fish remains.
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hard work
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then he jumps up the tree.
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:hi:

9:10 The youngster jumped into the nest
9:11 Flew away

IceAge :D :thumbs:
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Speculation is an integral and healthy part of healing through the loss life for unknown reasons. It's wrong, cruel, and abusive to tell people they shouldn't speculate. It's normal and one of the proper steps to healing through grief. Admin shouldn't discourage that, no matter how annoying they may find it.
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hello liquify420 and welcome!
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i guess that you are referring to the tragedy of the eagle chicks. the reason for their death is not unknown. they died of bird flu.

i think i must disagree with you to some extent. i don't think that speculations help in grieving or healing. healing begins in acceptance. - or maybe i understand the word 'speculation' in another way than you. :puzzled:
to me it is making guesses and thinking of alternative scenarios of what might have happened. :puzzled:

even less helpful than speculation is spreading of rumours or making accusations without proofs. this was abundant in the YT chat. i am very pleased that this wasn't common here in our topic.
definition of the word 'speculation' in Learner's Dictionary (the 1st meaning in our case):
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Post by bonehead » May 15th, 2021, 12:43 pm
2021
- Golden Eagle Helju & Kalju: parents ate the egg
- WTE Milda (& Raimis, Chip, Mr L): parents ate 2 chicks and one egg
- WTE Eve & Erik: parents stopped feeding & warming the chicks, both died
- WTE Silva & Sliters: visited and built the nest continually with mating etc. no succes
Was this only coincidence that happens in nature all the time or is there something happening we dont know/understand, for example bad food conditions or something similar. :shock:

ame wrote: May 15th, 2021, 2:16 pm bonehead, one cannot draw any conclusions based on 4 cases (including 2 different species). this is merely a random coincidence. sometimes there are good years, sometimes bad.

I still agree with you Ame, but unfortunately the reason (at least for Eve&Erik) was not merely a random coincidence, but much worse and concrete -> bird flu. Was Milda´s case similar, who knows, but it´s better not to speculate. One has howewer to be openminded to unforseen matters wich indeed can happen, whether we want to or not.

But what we truely hope is that Gunnar will not catch the disease :2thumbsup:
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bonehead, i think that i was not clear enough. the coincidences are the deaths and other tragic events which lead to failures. the causes of the failures are another thing. there are a multitude of reasons.

Milda's tragedy was Raimis disappearing. i wrote somewhere many.many years ago that there are no single parents in eagle families. Milda had no chance alone. Chips was a surrogate parent for about two days but he was not committed enough. he was not ready and he was not enough attached to the role.

i have been worried about Eve and Eerik, too. they were in close contact with the infected chicks and the food which was contaminated with the virus. the virus was in the food which was brought to the nest by Eerik and fed to the chicks by Eve. i am really worried about them. :unsure:
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Thank you Ame for the clarification, you are so right and we all hope for the best for Eve and Erik.
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I have been watching this WTE camera in Netherlands and occasionally there are very informative blog posts about it. I just recently read something that gave me a lot of hope. I will quote text :
"SUICIDAL
Last weekend I saw two juvenile sea eagles in the Lauwersmeer area. Judging by the plumage, these were 2 KJ (calendar year) birds. Animals born last year. "Our" pyken are now 1 KJ. On January 1, all birds have their birthday and they have another calendar year on it. You immediately ask yourself where these 2 KJ animals were born. They did not wear rings, so no animals from the Lauwersmeer area. In contrast to the youngsters in the Alde Feanen, those youngsters are ringed annually. It was nice to see how one of the robbers made a fly-by and then landed calmly hanging in the wind. He did that landing spectacularly because before he landed, his landing gear came out and slowly lowered itself onto a barnacle goose. Apparently a goose weakened by avian flu. After a while the eagle let go of the goose and they each walked in different directions. The barnacle goose had apparently given up the fight, the suicidal animal waddled wounded to its overlord moments later. The bald eagle popped back on top and began plucking the goose alive. The other bald eagle also joined. The barnacle goose stopped floundering after a while, his suffering seemed to have come to an end. A tough world, but an easy and energy-saving prey for these youngsters. Still, I keep holding my heart, will the bird flu affect these major predators? As long as birds are not a staple food for sea eagles, it will hopefully have little or no effect on their health. The attentive viewers see a diverse food offer, which fortunately contains a lot of fish, such as a fat fat giant eel."

These last sentences give me a lot of hope that Eerik and Eve are just fine! Just went to summer vacation :shake:
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hell madlaa and thank you for the story!

one thing bothers me. the events took place in the Netherlands, right? do you have bald eagles in the wild there? i have thought they were a North American species. :puzzled:

unfortunately the bird flu effects the top predators, too. two years ago several WTE were found dead in Finland and the cause of their death was bird flu. they are not immune. :unsure:
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ame wrote: May 25th, 2021, 6:00 pm unfortunately the bird flu effects the top predators, too. two years ago several WTE were found dead in Finland and the cause of their death was bird flu. they are not immune. :unsure:
There is a list of WTE deaths caused by bird flu. It hasn't been updated since 2018 https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... f=46&t=863
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Ame, I used Google translate...and it translated wrong. Sorry for not correcting.
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Triin wrote: May 25th, 2021, 6:08 pm There is a list of WTE deaths caused by bird flu. It hasn't been updated since 2018 https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... f=46&t=863
the last update in that link is from 2016. :puzzled:

avian influenza reports:
https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... 12#p503912

madlaa, no problem. i hope it's ok now.
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ame wrote: May 25th, 2021, 7:57 pm the last update in that link is from 2016. :puzzled:

avian influenza reports:
https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... 12#p503912
See page 5 in the topic.
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äch, i'm so blind at times. :slap:
thanks Triin.
i remembered reading news about a WTE dead because of bird flu also this year. there must be many other birds as well. ...
yes, 17 cases this year in Finland. the species:
pheasants both wild and farmed, mute swans, northern goshawks, mallards, common gull,
Canada geese, barnacle goose, but no WTE this spring (i remembered wrong).
all these are big birds which are easy to find. the goshawk is a bird of prey. there must be other (including smaller) birds as well, but which have remained not found.
https://www.ruokavirasto.fi/viljelijat/ ... n-finland/

the freshest news report in Estonia about avian flu is dated March 13. the number of cases was 20 then. our eagle chicks are not included yet.
https://news.err.ee/1608141337/avian-fl ... rn-estonia
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:hi:

Last November a WTE juvenile (hatched in a cam nest 2020) with GPS sender died of bird flu in Denmark.

https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... 52#p769352

https://www.dof.dk/om-dof/nyheder?nyhed ... ShetQzIUZs
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ame wrote: May 26th, 2021, 8:38 am the freshest news report in Estonia about avian flu is dated March 13. the number of cases was 20 then. our eagle chicks are not included yet.
https://news.err.ee/1608141337/avian-fl ... rn-estonia
Newer information https://pta.agri.ee/eestis-levib-lindude-gripp. It says there that they don't test all the carcasses if a bird with avian flu has been detected in the area.

The monitoring season of WTE nests has started. A bit worried about what we'll find, but still hoping that the deaths in camera nest were a very bad luck :unsure:
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May 31.

10:31
the youngster comes looking for leftovers
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He nibbles on a very old fish tail
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11:24
He is preening

11:40
he flies away
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11.25-11:28: strange sounds, sound like someone chops wood (not woodpecker-like)... but does not disturb the youngster at all.
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New topic for the Eastern Imperrial Eagle, in Tatarstan, Russia.
https://www.looduskalender.ee/forum/vie ... =84&t=1049.

Please put this link on any other topics that you visit. Thanks!

The birddsong is wonderful and I just heard a cuckoo.
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